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My Biggest Mistake: Martin Karafilis, CEO of Fishburners

Martin Karafilis is the CEO of startup hub Fishburners. He has a long career and pedigree in the space, but it took a mistake from his first startup to help get him here.
Tegan Jones
Tegan Jones
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At the end of 2022, Martin Karafilis was named the new CEO of Fishburners. A founder, investor, and advisor in the Australian startup space, he is well-versed in the local ecosystem and where itโ€™s come from in order to help drive it into the future.

Before Fishburners, Karafilis was the founder and COO of Tiliter, a Sydney-based tech company with a focus on AI. He is also an Investor and Partner and KOA Ventures and is involved in Airtreeโ€™s Explorer program.

But despite his Aussie startup pedigree, Karafilis had to cut his teeth somewhere. And it was his first startup idea โ€” an audio equipment hire service โ€” that taught him an important lesson when it came to the love of the problem.

The mistake

Karafilis was in love with music. A musician with instruments and equipment to spare wanted to be more involved in the industry.

He noticed a gap in the market when it came to equipment. Some bands, especially up and comers, couldnโ€™t always afford expensive instruments and gear for the studio or touring.

He figured he could fill that gap with an audio equipment hire business, which is a great idea in theory.

Spending my formative years in a Wollongong share house that was at the centre of the local indie scene, I can confirm just how poor musos can be.

But the problem wasnโ€™t as simple as offering equipment.

โ€œItโ€™s quite easy to say โ€˜letโ€™s make this marketplace and letโ€™s whip this up,โ€™โ€ Martin says.

โ€œWhat was happening is a lot of the features or things that youโ€™d be building didnโ€™t quite meet the problemsโ€™ needs.โ€

The context

But as Karafilis points out, thereโ€™s a difference between identifying a surface problem and the actual nitty gritty and underlying needs of your customer base.

โ€œI was more interested in music itself than the actual operations behind it and learning more about the recording and touring scene,โ€ Karafilis said.

Karafilis admits that he didnโ€™t discover what peopleโ€™s real pain points were in this space.

โ€œI think what I started to realise as I went along the way was that I probably wasnโ€™t fixing the problem in a manner that created value for the customer.โ€

โ€œWhen you fall in love with a problem, you really understand it like the back of your hand.โ€

The impact

The impact on the business was a simple one โ€” lack of growth.

โ€œThere are so many metaphors around this.  Say youโ€™re a really good key makerโ€ฆyouโ€™re making a key and then youโ€™re trying to fit it into thousands of locks rather than saying โ€˜Iโ€™ve got a lock and now I need to make a key to fit,โ€ Karafilis said.

โ€œIt was hard to understand why we werenโ€™t acquiring more customers. Why werenโ€™t we growing? Why werenโ€™t we going through that growth phase?

โ€œUpon reflection, I was also seeing that on a personal level, my mind, my time, and my energy was starting to go a little bit elsewhere and become distracted.โ€

The fix

For Karafilis, the fix, in this case, was having the guts to call time and walk away from something that wasnโ€™t working.

โ€œIt was probably lucky that I didnโ€™t get too far down the line. I think you can get into a lot of trouble,โ€ Karafilis said.

For me, there was a realisation that I wasnโ€™t in love with that problem.โ€

Karafilis notes that these are the kinds of things you find out when things are tough in a business, thatโ€™s when you have to face the reality of what youโ€™re doing and if you want to do it for the next 10 years.

โ€œWhat I actually did was take those learnings and start another startup.โ€

The lesson

Karafilis says that falling in love with the problem first is a lesson heโ€™s taken into subsequent startups and his career in general.

โ€œSomething I learned from that process was to really define the problem first and foremostโ€ฆ test the solution and then use a decision framework to actually fall in love with the solution thereafter,โ€ Karafilis said.

โ€œI was really more excited about building a business and the solution itself rather than actually focusing on the problem and saying: โ€˜Am I in love with what this problem and am I absolutely passionate about fixing this?โ€™โ€

โ€œIโ€˜m so glad that I got to experience that so early on. It really gave me the tools and ability and knowledge to go and fix that up for the next time around.โ€